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== New main page design ==
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<center>'''This page is now obsolete. It has been superceded by the [http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum dedicated forum], so please go there!'''</center>
As promised, I have wrote a new design for the main page of the Wiki. You can have a look at it here: [[Test:Octo-NewMainpage]]. Please don't work on wikilinks inside the article only work on the design. What do you think about it? Btw, currently a link to [[Magazines]] is missing... --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 00:10, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
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field a bit more to the top of the left menu will be nice, so its easier to search articles without scrolling around. Hope you can do that PLEAAAASE :-) [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 09:36, 5 August 2006 (CEST)
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* ''For older talks please have a look at the [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive]].''
:That would be nice - I think it should be higher, too. The problem is, this has to do with the skin, and I'm not yet as comfortable with customising it... if someone knows how, please step forward! [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 16:48, 5 August 2006 (CEST)
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:: so i now have moved the search field for the "monobook" template a bit up :) TO THE TOP :-D and leaved the searchfield at the bottom also. If you want, i can delete the search-field at the bottom later, to get things a bit thinner. [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]]
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==More Fileformats==
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== Forum ==
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Today the [http://www.cpcwiki.eu/forum Forum] opened its gates. I felt it was necessary because the discussion system of the Wiki is not adequate... It is not meant to replace every talk page, but it's good for general discussion topics :) [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 09:06, 22 November 2006 (CET)
  
should be added, so upload of PDF and ZIP-Files will be possible. I Think a lot of manuals and stuff is in PDF-Format or some Freeware / Shareware / Public Domain Programmes can be directly addes to the pages (Wanted to do that with the SOundtrakkr 128K). So its will be great if someone who reads something about a demo or programm also can download the DSK or whatever to run it on an emulator or cpc.
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== Sidebar links ==
: More file extensions allowed now. You can actually upload zip, rar (preferred due to better compression), pdf and mp3 (for all those tape conversions!). Nevertheless, can't a manual be copied as txt? [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 09:00, 6 August 2006 (CEST)
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:: THIS IS NOT!! working
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I have tried to upload a PDFand a ZIP. Both doesn't work. Please check that and correct it [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 22:53, 9 August 2006 (CEST)
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There is a little problem with the pages linked only in the sidebar: they only appear on the default mediawiki theme...
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There is a list here: [[special:lonelypages]]
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Link them from somewhere else :)
  
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::Ah yes, you're right and I have noticed it myself - though I don't know why anyone would use some other theme, I think this is the best by far :D Anyhow, I'm just waiting to move servers, when this is done I'll look after such details... thanks for pointing out!!! [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 10:03, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
  
We should add some templates to mark articles for e.g. deletion. You can see the reason for the need for templates if you have a look at the article about [[Beau Jolly]]. You can find examples for that kind of templates in the original wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages).
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::There is still 14 orphaned pages... and i prefer using another theme because i use a browser without css support... And what is the difference between [[Applications]] and Utilities ?
:Hmmm I'm not really sure what you mean... the Beau Jolly page is a harmless prank - at least I consider it so at this point. If and when the wiki gets bigger and to such a size that systematic patrolling is needed, then I think we can start putting some mechanisms into place... For now, just reading the changes and glancing at the pages is surely enough? [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 14:07, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::You are right, I will move the Utilities to the Apps and mark them to be deleted! --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 10:13, 11 August 2006 (CEST)
::I meant the template signs of Wikipedia to simply add warning, etc. Here is an direct example of some different marks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/Disputes We don't need all signs, of course, but some to easily mark articles for deletion or for the need of an improvement would be nice (no automatic robots - just to mark the articles). --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 14:24, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::Ah, that's interesting now... I'll have to see how to implement them - unless you got some idea? [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 14:53, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::I think they can just be added with copy & paste!? --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 15:06, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::::I made a test with the [[Beau Jolly]] article. Unfortunately you can't do simple copy & paste because of all the internal links in the Wikipedia templates. Maybe someone can improve it. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 16:57, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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:I would like to see templates for different categories of software ''e.g.'' games, demos, applications, like the information boxes one sees on Wikipedia for computer games - see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spindizzy_(computer_game) Wikipedia's entry on ''Spindizzy''] as an example. The problem for me at the moment is that I don't know how to create complex tables and boxes in wiki markup at the moment! :-( [[User:Nich|Nich]] 17:31, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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::I added the template for the game info boxes ([[Template:Infobox CVG]]), but currently the "parser functions" like #if: don't seem to work. --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 18:44, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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::Ok, I found the page which explains the installation of the "ParserFunctions" extension. It have to be installed to get the template working: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#Installation --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 18:51, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::Mmmm just installed it -at least the relevant files. But, how about this line:
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::: <pre>require_once( "$IP/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php" );</pre>,
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:::it says it has to go to the end of LocalSettings.php. But if I do place it there (before the closing tag), it breaks the whole wiki... darn. Will try to look into it. [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 20:32, 7 August 2006 (CEST)
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==Menu:==
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== Search ==
  
The menu entry "In short - history" nearly contains all necessary informations about the different CPC models. Maybe we can delete the entries for the different models and add a new entry for the technical informations (CRTC, GateArray, etc.). What do you think about it?
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As I still don´t understand why we have two search windows I repeat the question if we really need them both? ;-) --[[User:Villain|Villain]] 17:08, 28 August 2006 (CEST)
:I completely agree with it. We should group it in a technical specifications article. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:04, 9 August 2006 (CEST)
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:Yup. The second one (the top one) was added when the sidebar was so tall that the lower search field was out of the screen. Now the sidebar is too short, but it will probably grow again.... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 18:22, 28 August 2006 (CEST)
:Or maybe we just group the "old generation", so we have 2 or 3 entries? Don't know... -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 17:09, 9 August 2006 (CEST)
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:: hey.. i'm just waiting for someone who tells me.. REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second Search-Field and.. booom.. it will be gone :-D [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]]
::Hmm, but wouldn't it better if the informations are collected in one article (less mouseclicks -> I'm lazy ;)). --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 21:18, 9 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::Hey Kanga, REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second search field! --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 21:04, 28 August 2006 (CEST)
:This article is intended indeed as a short introduction. I do believe that quite a bit more can be written about each specific model, so I think they are worth a page of their own...? [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 10:06, 10 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::Don´t know if anybody else already told you but: REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second Search-Field --[[User:Villain|Villain]] 21:09, 28 August 2006 (CEST)
Yoi can split the page up, when more content is added into the models, but you need not add them to the sidebar if you can summarize it up. Just "check" out what we will do to the peripherals-pages :-) later
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::::Ok, have noticed the Wink with the Zaunpfahl :-) and i will do my job tomorrow, if i find time :-)
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:::::Ok, I removed it. Happy, y'all? :) [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 20:00, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::::Ahh Gryzor did it :) So what? [[User:81.90.35.80|81.90.35.80]] 11:20, 24 September 2006 (CEST)
  
==Math:==
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== Mainpage and Sidebar ==
  
Today I wanted to add some formulas (very simple!) to describe the mathmatic background of a routine. Are <math> Tags supported? --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 21:18, 9 August 2006 (CEST)
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TBH I like Gryzors rollback of the sidebar, as all the important main links should be mentioned there to have fast access from every point inside CPCWiki. With an usual screen resolution you should see the complete main part of the sidebar, so I don't see any problem with its length.
:Which article did you edit? Can you try emailing me? You have not verified your email address and I can't send you an email... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 10:06, 10 August 2006 (CEST)
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Regarding the main page, what's about redesigning it a little bit in the way of most other Wikis like Wikipedia? The main page shouldn't contain the complete site map. I like the style of Wikipedia much more. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 16:29, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
  
when tryig to add a PNG-File, there occurs an error saying that the png is not correct. Can you please check if PNG is enabled in the wiki configuration. Thank you [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 21:21, 9 August 2006 (CEST)
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:Well, I differ in my opinion with yours. I don't like a big sidebar and prefer a good main page which can bring me directly to the different stuff in the Wiki, because you have much more room there to give a good entry point. Btw, I only use 1024x768 and I so I see it till "Software-Programming" in the sidebar (ok, will change if I get a new notebook someday ;)). Anyway, I will join the majority =). --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 19:54, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
:Will look into it, I thought i had it fixed... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 10:06, 10 August 2006 (CEST)
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:: Darn... I can't get it to work! what has to be done is add this line to LocalSettings.php: $wgFileExtensions = array( 'png', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ogg','doc','xls','ppt','mp3','pdf' ); listing all the extensions you need... well, I changed LocalSettings.php and also changed DefaultSettings.php (though not advisable), extensions are not blacklisted but it still won't work !! ARGH!!!! [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 08:47, 11 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::"Software-Programming" is your last visible entry? 8-O Maybe you choosed a font size of 300% and installed the Google, Yahoo and MSN toolbars at the same time? ;-)) My last entry is "Editing help", well, with 1280x1024. Ok, the sidebar could be still optimized, maybe we can move "About - contribute" to the end (it should be also mentioned on the start page) and remove "PD libraries" as an example (not so important for having an own entry point here IMHO). -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 20:26, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
  
Yesterday, Kanga and me thought about how to do a good entry point for the articles of the Wiki and came to the conclusion that the main page wastes too much space and the sidebar gets too big. If it is ok, I will think about a new design of the main page during the weekend and maybe prepare a first design under in the "Loose Lemmas" article. --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 10:09, 11 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::: Here at work I use 2560x1024, so there is no problem here. Maybe I will use a smaller font size and buy some glasses for my notebook ;-) --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 10:52, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
:Basically, I was thinking of creating text boxes on the main page. That was my intention right from the beginning, and I thought I'd do it once there's enough stuff. I'm not too sure about how to shorten the sidebar, though... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 22:08, 11 August 2006 (CEST)
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:: Just dont add the whole CPC Models again :-) summarize the stuff in "CPC-Models" and you won 4-Lines in the Side.Bar [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 22:20, 11 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::Well, I know you're somewhat right, but I'd like to hope that by having them there would motivate someone to write something extensive on a single model... later on maybe I'll pull it in (probably two entries: CPC and CPC+/GX4000)... By the way, I've managed to tidy up the Sidebar a bit. [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 07:12, 12 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::Seems, that we can be happy if someones writes an article for at least one model of the old generation CPCs ;-) As the hardware is nearly the same between the first 3 models, I think one article should be enough. I modified the sidebar a little bit and changed the font size of the "mono book" skin back to its correct size of 127%. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 18:47, 12 August 2006 (CEST)
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I think we shouldn't copy the links in the sidebar on the main page. What's about sections like:
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::The reason I rolled it back to a more expanded list (though I condensed the CPC models) is that, if it's not like that, then surely there's no reason in having a Sidebar? 8) Though I understand that on some resolutions (are you really on '''1024'''?? :D ) the entire SIdebar may not be visible, I think that removing it altogether is much worse than having one that doesn't show in its entirety!
* Welcome/Description
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==New Logo==
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:: Concerning the main page, now, it should not be the only launching page - the user should not need to get to the homepage in order to jump to a different category, hence the use of the Sidebar. On the other hand I find it '''much more useful''' as it is right now, than like it was before, though it can be improved somewhat - I'll agree with Prodatron in that it looks somewhat 'dry' right now.[[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 20:05, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
  
I had a few minutes, so I did this [http://www.cpcscene.com/wiki.png little logo] for the wiki. Feel free to use it (or not). - Grim/Arkos
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::: Oh come on.. wich BAST)(&" has modified the Sidebar again to that really useless and annoying list of unwanted links :-D Why dont use the mainpage AND the SEARCH to find content, instead of adding things wild, unorganized and useless to the sidebar?? [[User:Kangaroo|Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT]] 21:49, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
: Very nice!
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: Hello mate, thanks for your effort! I'm afraid it's a bit too busy, lacking a bit in coherence... I know mine is not very much cpc-related, so if you can improve yours... Cheers! [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 22:08, 11 August 2006 (CEST)
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==Talk page format==
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:::: You and Octo have your mainpage, and Gryzor and me have our sidebar. Everyone is happy now :-P -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 21:58, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
  
Could we please stay with this usual format for talk pages? It is used in all the other Wikis, and as you see, there is a "+" function, which supports this format, too. Every new entry is placed at the end, not at the top. It is also more easy to jump into a section to continue the discussion there. Time by time the contributes can be moved into the [[Talk:Main Page/Archive1|archive]]. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 18:19, 12 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::: =) --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 10:52, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
  
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:::: I think it´s useful to have some more things on the Sidebar than before. But now it´s too much... As Prodi already said PD libraries should be kicked out, also clones and some others too... --[[User:Villain|Villain]] 21:57, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
  
While there are such few categories by now we should decide whether they should be in singular or plural now. -- [[User:Ythcal|Ythcal]] 14:08, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::: Sounds good! -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 21:58, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::: It did it in this way and moved "contribute" to the end. Is it better now? Btw, how can I clear the cache? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 22:04, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::: The Bastard is me, I would guess. As I said, the reason for rolling it back is that under the short form, there is simply NO NEED for the sidebar. The sidebar is there for the reader to be able to navigate quickly to all parts of the wiki without having to go to the main page. It is NOT useless, certainly NOT unwanted (I use it all the time instead of the main page links) and I doubt it's annoying - the space is empty if you don't put links there, so it goes wasted. The Main Page is NOT the place to put links on and is much harder to use than the sidebar. Unorganized? I wouldn't think so - the structure is quite ok right now, if anyone can think of ways to improve it, please do step forward. It's not even wild, since it has been tamed a lot since its first appearance, and definitely not unorganized - see the little boxes that organise it? :p [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 09:49, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
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I was so free and reorganized the complete main page into the usual "wiki style".
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So the complete link list ("CPCWiki portal") has its own page now - we should improve this page, that nearly all articels can be found there directly or indirectly.
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Regarding the new main page maybe we can add even more sections like "article of the month" or something like this. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 02:40, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
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:Great. I like the new wikilike design. --[[User:Octoate|Octoate]] 09:58, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
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::I am pleased to hear that! We just need to take care about the up-to-dateness. As an example, every one, who is inserting a new entry in the news section should also update the main page. I would also like to suggest and add some guidelines, which describe, what and how to add entries to the different sections in the main page to prevent uncontrolled growth. -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 16:24, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
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::: I like the new layout as well, it's meaningful and nicely put, although I think it can use a little cleaning over time :) I'm a bit confused as to how news etc works, though, it currently seems to be all over the place and it's difficult to maintain it for someone who doesn't know exactly how... [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 20:37, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
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:::: Regarding the news I will write a suggestion for the guidline how to insert new news. In general you have a headline, which have to be placed to the news (max 10 entries), the news archive (unlimited) and the main page (max 3 entries). The headline is the article name where you write the news itself + links to the source and the category (month). -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 20:58, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
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Gryzor, why have you modified the photo of the main page with the ancient one ? If this wiki is related to cpc, i guess it's not only the cpc 464 and the whole cpc range is concerned...Almost the 464 photo seemd truncated and overlayed by a line. Longshot --[[User:195.154.167.66|195.154.167.66]] 14:53, 23 November 2006 (CET)
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You have reverted modification without any answer about my contrib here about that...
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I won't to waste time to update this picture again. Gryzor, you're the main contributor of this site but i think your method is not fair, especially on a site built mainly by contributors.--[[User:Longshot|Longshot]] 13:17, 24 November 2006 (CET)
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: Well. I reverted it to the older version because I assumed there is something wrong with the image, that's all. For some reason the "range" photo won't appear, and I tried it fromt wo different computers and different browsers. Can you try reuploading the image under a new filename and changing the main page? Also, the 464 pic does appear fine for me - tried with Firefox, Opera, IE. As you can see it's not a matter of being 'unfair' - it's a technical issue, despite the fact that I like the 464 one better :)
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:PS try to remember to log in before doing any changes.... :) [[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 19:36, 24 November 2006 (CET)
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::Sorry for the misunderstanding. About the range photo it's strange because i've any problem with ie or firefox (my personal pc) or crazy browser on my professional pc. This picture is a scan i'd modified in 2001 and coming from my site. I've compressed the picture with a newer version of image ready from 53kb to 29.2 kb and i try to upload it again under a new name. Please let me know if the problem occurs again...--[[User:Longshot|Longshot]] 11:46, 26 November 2006 (CET)
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::: It appears ok now, but I scaled the thumbnail down a bit because it was a big too big... thanks![[User:Gryzor|Gryzor]] 18:11, 26 November 2006 (CET)
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Is the CPC still in vacation? ;-) Maybe we could remove the picture, to make the info boxes below accessible in a better way again. Are maybe someone has an idea for an other cool frontpage motive? -- [[User:Prodatron|Prodatron]] 22:36, 18 September 2007 (CEST)

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Forum

Today the Forum opened its gates. I felt it was necessary because the discussion system of the Wiki is not adequate... It is not meant to replace every talk page, but it's good for general discussion topics :) Gryzor 09:06, 22 November 2006 (CET)

Sidebar links

There is a little problem with the pages linked only in the sidebar: they only appear on the default mediawiki theme... There is a list here: special:lonelypages Link them from somewhere else :)

Ah yes, you're right and I have noticed it myself - though I don't know why anyone would use some other theme, I think this is the best by far :D Anyhow, I'm just waiting to move servers, when this is done I'll look after such details... thanks for pointing out!!! Gryzor 10:03, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
There is still 14 orphaned pages... and i prefer using another theme because i use a browser without css support... And what is the difference between Applications and Utilities ?
You are right, I will move the Utilities to the Apps and mark them to be deleted! --Octoate 10:13, 11 August 2006 (CEST)

Search

As I still don´t understand why we have two search windows I repeat the question if we really need them both? ;-) --Villain 17:08, 28 August 2006 (CEST)

Yup. The second one (the top one) was added when the sidebar was so tall that the lower search field was out of the screen. Now the sidebar is too short, but it will probably grow again.... Gryzor 18:22, 28 August 2006 (CEST)
hey.. i'm just waiting for someone who tells me.. REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second Search-Field and.. booom.. it will be gone :-D Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT
Hey Kanga, REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second search field! --Octoate 21:04, 28 August 2006 (CEST)
Don´t know if anybody else already told you but: REMOVE THAT F*/&%NG second Search-Field --Villain 21:09, 28 August 2006 (CEST)
Ok, have noticed the Wink with the Zaunpfahl :-) and i will do my job tomorrow, if i find time :-)
Ok, I removed it. Happy, y'all? :) Gryzor 20:00, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
Ahh Gryzor did it :) So what? 81.90.35.80 11:20, 24 September 2006 (CEST)

Mainpage and Sidebar

TBH I like Gryzors rollback of the sidebar, as all the important main links should be mentioned there to have fast access from every point inside CPCWiki. With an usual screen resolution you should see the complete main part of the sidebar, so I don't see any problem with its length.

Regarding the main page, what's about redesigning it a little bit in the way of most other Wikis like Wikipedia? The main page shouldn't contain the complete site map. I like the style of Wikipedia much more. -- Prodatron 16:29, 29 August 2006 (CEST)

Well, I differ in my opinion with yours. I don't like a big sidebar and prefer a good main page which can bring me directly to the different stuff in the Wiki, because you have much more room there to give a good entry point. Btw, I only use 1024x768 and I so I see it till "Software-Programming" in the sidebar (ok, will change if I get a new notebook someday ;)). Anyway, I will join the majority =). --Octoate 19:54, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
"Software-Programming" is your last visible entry? 8-O Maybe you choosed a font size of 300% and installed the Google, Yahoo and MSN toolbars at the same time? ;-)) My last entry is "Editing help", well, with 1280x1024. Ok, the sidebar could be still optimized, maybe we can move "About - contribute" to the end (it should be also mentioned on the start page) and remove "PD libraries" as an example (not so important for having an own entry point here IMHO). -- Prodatron 20:26, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
Here at work I use 2560x1024, so there is no problem here. Maybe I will use a smaller font size and buy some glasses for my notebook ;-) --Octoate 10:52, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
The reason I rolled it back to a more expanded list (though I condensed the CPC models) is that, if it's not like that, then surely there's no reason in having a Sidebar? 8) Though I understand that on some resolutions (are you really on 1024?? :D ) the entire SIdebar may not be visible, I think that removing it altogether is much worse than having one that doesn't show in its entirety!
Concerning the main page, now, it should not be the only launching page - the user should not need to get to the homepage in order to jump to a different category, hence the use of the Sidebar. On the other hand I find it much more useful as it is right now, than like it was before, though it can be improved somewhat - I'll agree with Prodatron in that it looks somewhat 'dry' right now.Gryzor 20:05, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
Oh come on.. wich BAST)(&" has modified the Sidebar again to that really useless and annoying list of unwanted links :-D Why dont use the mainpage AND the SEARCH to find content, instead of adding things wild, unorganized and useless to the sidebar?? Kangaroo MusiQue of HJT 21:49, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
You and Octo have your mainpage, and Gryzor and me have our sidebar. Everyone is happy now :-P -- Prodatron 21:58, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
=) --Octoate 10:52, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
I think it´s useful to have some more things on the Sidebar than before. But now it´s too much... As Prodi already said PD libraries should be kicked out, also clones and some others too... --Villain 21:57, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
Sounds good! -- Prodatron 21:58, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
It did it in this way and moved "contribute" to the end. Is it better now? Btw, how can I clear the cache? -- Prodatron 22:04, 29 August 2006 (CEST)
The Bastard is me, I would guess. As I said, the reason for rolling it back is that under the short form, there is simply NO NEED for the sidebar. The sidebar is there for the reader to be able to navigate quickly to all parts of the wiki without having to go to the main page. It is NOT useless, certainly NOT unwanted (I use it all the time instead of the main page links) and I doubt it's annoying - the space is empty if you don't put links there, so it goes wasted. The Main Page is NOT the place to put links on and is much harder to use than the sidebar. Unorganized? I wouldn't think so - the structure is quite ok right now, if anyone can think of ways to improve it, please do step forward. It's not even wild, since it has been tamed a lot since its first appearance, and definitely not unorganized - see the little boxes that organise it? :p Gryzor 09:49, 30 August 2006 (CEST)

New main page

I was so free and reorganized the complete main page into the usual "wiki style". So the complete link list ("CPCWiki portal") has its own page now - we should improve this page, that nearly all articels can be found there directly or indirectly. Regarding the new main page maybe we can add even more sections like "article of the month" or something like this. -- Prodatron 02:40, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

Great. I like the new wikilike design. --Octoate 09:58, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
I am pleased to hear that! We just need to take care about the up-to-dateness. As an example, every one, who is inserting a new entry in the news section should also update the main page. I would also like to suggest and add some guidelines, which describe, what and how to add entries to the different sections in the main page to prevent uncontrolled growth. -- Prodatron 16:24, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
I like the new layout as well, it's meaningful and nicely put, although I think it can use a little cleaning over time :) I'm a bit confused as to how news etc works, though, it currently seems to be all over the place and it's difficult to maintain it for someone who doesn't know exactly how... Gryzor 20:37, 1 September 2006 (CEST)
Regarding the news I will write a suggestion for the guidline how to insert new news. In general you have a headline, which have to be placed to the news (max 10 entries), the news archive (unlimited) and the main page (max 3 entries). The headline is the article name where you write the news itself + links to the source and the category (month). -- Prodatron 20:58, 1 September 2006 (CEST)

Main picture of the main page

Gryzor, why have you modified the photo of the main page with the ancient one ? If this wiki is related to cpc, i guess it's not only the cpc 464 and the whole cpc range is concerned...Almost the 464 photo seemd truncated and overlayed by a line. Longshot --195.154.167.66 14:53, 23 November 2006 (CET)

You have reverted modification without any answer about my contrib here about that... I won't to waste time to update this picture again. Gryzor, you're the main contributor of this site but i think your method is not fair, especially on a site built mainly by contributors.--Longshot 13:17, 24 November 2006 (CET)

Well. I reverted it to the older version because I assumed there is something wrong with the image, that's all. For some reason the "range" photo won't appear, and I tried it fromt wo different computers and different browsers. Can you try reuploading the image under a new filename and changing the main page? Also, the 464 pic does appear fine for me - tried with Firefox, Opera, IE. As you can see it's not a matter of being 'unfair' - it's a technical issue, despite the fact that I like the 464 one better :)
PS try to remember to log in before doing any changes.... :) Gryzor 19:36, 24 November 2006 (CET)
Sorry for the misunderstanding. About the range photo it's strange because i've any problem with ie or firefox (my personal pc) or crazy browser on my professional pc. This picture is a scan i'd modified in 2001 and coming from my site. I've compressed the picture with a newer version of image ready from 53kb to 29.2 kb and i try to upload it again under a new name. Please let me know if the problem occurs again...--Longshot 11:46, 26 November 2006 (CET)
It appears ok now, but I scaled the thumbnail down a bit because it was a big too big... thanks!Gryzor 18:11, 26 November 2006 (CET)

CPC taking a day off

Is the CPC still in vacation? ;-) Maybe we could remove the picture, to make the info boxes below accessible in a better way again. Are maybe someone has an idea for an other cool frontpage motive? -- Prodatron 22:36, 18 September 2007 (CEST)